“You Atheists worship scientism”

I hate having to post retarded rebuttals, so I’ll make this brief. The word Christians are looking for is scientism, but people should be much better than this. Science rests upon justified belief, empirical data, and models. It’s fine to behave according to a justified belief. It’s a safer thing than to rest upon anything that requires revelation from authority figures.

Yes, you might not understand physics or biology, but the material has been published for you to study, and if you wanted you could do your own experiments and confirm it for yourself. That is a huge epistemological difference; it is unlike with religions that say “You should trust me. I had a great vision you know, and God told me how reality really operates.”

At least science has peer review as a built in mechanism for self-correction, so with new data science reliably corrects itself over time. You don’t have to argue with Joeseph that, “I had a vision from God that said differently,” or reinterpret ancient scrolls to correct theology to match reality and science. There is a real absence of verifiable data in religion.

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Of course there is bad science put out by biased think tanks and swallowed by the masses, but you are also trained to be skeptical. Every scientist in theory is supposed to be a skeptic who has a tool kit to detect fraud. I have a textbook in physics from the 80’s that is full of examples and labs, and it prefaces by saying it is going to leave out detailed explanations and instead expect you to do the labs and write reports on your observations and the thinking behind your conclusions. The idea is not to give you the answer, but to give you problems and exercises that lead you to answers scientists consider to be common sense within their field.

(I don’t think this approach would work as easily today, since it’s easy to be tempted to cheat and stop exercising your mind while you look for the “correct answer” on the internet.)

Religion is inherently the polar opposite of skeptical. It asks you not to pay attention to the man behind the curtain who is pulling the strings as these quotes illustrate:


(St Augustine praises confirmation bias and circular reasoning.)


(Same fallacies.)

“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom… Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.” – Martin Luther

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” – Martin Luther.


Indeed, there are masses who will hear “science,” and then shut down their thought process as soon as they hear the word and then just believe the words of the person professing to be a scientist. When that happens they’ve fallen to an appeal to scientific authority.


But we call that pseudoscience, and many of the nut jobs sign up to Scientology. Carl Sagan wrote about how it’s something scientists will have to stand up against as existing religion becomes a minority, and how important it is to teach kids to love learning, and question authority. Homeopathy practitioners and the Church of Christ Science are the same old snake oil salesmen and conmen who would have created religions 2,000 years ago, except they happen to live in the modern world.




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